Lindsey, I do not want reading to be any pressure, you have plenty of stuff going on to keep anyone busy. Since I commute back and forth to school, it is much easier for me to fit this into my schedule. I will follow your lead, just let me know what your life will allow.
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I really liked the story about the 20th Century Motor Company and the failed social experiment. At face value it seemed like a noble idea that the owners of the company had, giving the company and leadership to the employees. The workers would work to their best abilities and those in need would get the help they need. But it is clear to see why this system would fall apart as it did. Why would you show any ability if doing so meant you had to work harder than your neighbors who could get everything for free by riding on your coattails. This story foreshadowed the ultimate fate of the country.
I also thought that it was interesting that the story of Robin Hood was shown to be the embodiment of everything that Rand was against - taking from the rich to give to the poor. I think it depends on how the rich actually became that way, I do not begrudge anyone who has earned their money honestly but knowing that there are many rich swindlers out there does make me feel that it is justified to take from them.
I am concerned about the health care reform bill that is being passed for the U.S. Is it going to be a situation of those who make more are once again going to be taxed at an even higher level? One concern is that the highest earners are going to start hiding their earnings even more than they already are and the middle class will get hit the hardest again. Our children are already going to have a more difficult time having the same or better quality of life than we have had so far. The tax burden is going to be crippling! I know there aren't any painless solutions.
Just a couple of comments on Dagny and John -
Dagny -
Yes, she did get around but I think that she treated sex as a pleasurable, fulfilling experience; unlike the way others viewed it as a vile, shameful and common act. Dagny also appreciated music, achievement, and wisdom on a higher level; she considered these things sacred and to be celebrated. I yearn to be as composed and self confident as she is but personable as well.
John Galt -
You were quick to figure out that he was the one who invented the motor, very perceptive! Although he was the philosopher and the brains behind the curtain, I really wanted Dagny to end up with either Hank Reardan or Francisco. I didn't fall in love with Galt, I'm not quite sure why.
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I am looking forward to reading The Fountainhead, I found it at a used bookstore and got it for Christmas. Bleak House is downloaded to my I-pod and I'm ready to go whenever you are, I have others to read (listen to) until you give me the go ahead. Thanks!
Dec 26, 2009
Dec 18, 2009
Three Months Later...
My heart sunk as I saw the date of your last post. Promise: I have not given up! With the school workload, job, motherhood, etc... it has been increasingly difficult to post, but the good news is:
I FINISHED THE BOOK!!
The reason I liked this book so much is because of Dagny. What a strong woman (granted she seems to have slept with just about every major male figure in the story), she was the only one that didn't give up. I can't figure out if her relationship with John Galt is a good thing or bad thing. I wonder if his love for her is based on his need to be in charge of all the great minds. Nonetheless, Dagny is the vision of intelligence and wit. I like her character and aside from her constant bed-hopping, I like the way she handled life.
Lillian is the exact opposite of Dagny. You are right she is very cold-hearted. No, she didn't love Hank only herself. Her actions were deceitful.
Not sorry to read that James Taggert finally got what was coming to him. I feel bad about his wife. He was a rotten man who thought only of himself and when he realized how he evil he really was I was slightly shocked. I thought for sure he would continue his slimy trail through life without feeling any remorse what-so-ever.
Francisco is an interesting character. Working in the mills for Rearden showed that he really did care even though as a reader I was beginning to wonder. He wanted Rearden to leave and he wanted to be his friend. Francisco's solution to the looters was unique, instead of disappearing he played the sabotage game.
That's all for now, I want to give you a chance to post in reply... Thanks again for waiting for me!!!
Sep 14, 2009
It just keeps getting better...
I am sorry but I can't stop myself from listening to the book, plus my family is giving me ample opportunity to do so.
I just finished Book 2, I can see the light at the end of the proverbial tunnel, but I don't want to reach it yet. Our next book is by Dickens, and the last thing that I read of his I did not particularly care for, it was Great Expectations.
Lillian finally learned who's Hank's mistress. She is very scheming and seeks to punish and destroy her husband rather than to allow him to divorce her. Trading her secret about her husband to men like James Taggart is inconceivable. I don't know if she ever had any passion or loved him at all or if she is just an uptight, cold hearted person.
The meeting of the Washington men and how Directive 10-289 was put into effect just baffled me. How is it that this group, all of whom had a vested interest in the outcome of such an initiative could have so much influence. Trading favors and secrets will only work for so long, eventually someone will lose their leverage and power. The Unification Board created irrational demands of the country. How could they "freeze" the economy? Why would they not want additional research so that new inventions could be created? I try to think of my own life and imagine what it would be like to have to purchase the same amount of goods as in previous years. Things wear out like tires, dishwashers, clothes. If no new books were being printed who was going to repurchase ones that they already owned?
Dr. Ferris is a scary man with all of the BS that he preaches. I was sorry to know that he found out Hank Rearden's weak spot, Dagny, which he used against him and forced Rearden's hand to sign the gift certificate for Rearden metal.
When Dagny quit, I had hoped that James would end up with the stresses of her position but I should have known that he would pass the buck, he is not a worker just a politician. She was not content to relax and enjoy her quasi retirement but she continually worked to improve her surroundings and even planned out development for the places she encountered.
Ch. 7
So much important information is disclosed in this chapter. I often find myself so wrapped up into the story that I speak aloud about the characters and plot to my families amusement, this was one of those chapters.
Conceited, bloated politicians who are only concerned about their own ambitions and power, like Mr. Kip Chalmers. Every person involved in the chain was responsible for the deaths of all the riders on the Comet, why didn't anyone stand up for what was right? The explanation about who the passengers were didn't paint them in a positive light, their fate was almost forgivable after you found out about the character/politics of those who perished.
Rearden leaving Lillian and giving his lawyer a blank check to ensure that he got it, I cheered but wondered why he waited so long. Then when he is encountered on his walk in the forest by Ragnon who hands him the brick of gold, I couldn't believe it. Are all of the great minds hiding together in some unknown spot, it sure sounds like it, especially since he mentioned Midas Mulligan and his bank. I am glad that he is trying to protect the capitalists interest but it is regrettable that he had to become an outlaw to do so. Orren Boyle's furnaces being blown up so that he could not manufacture the "miracle metal" was something else to cheer for, he is such a worm.
Ok, that's all I have time for now but I will continue. Forgive me for getting so far ahead.
I just finished Book 2, I can see the light at the end of the proverbial tunnel, but I don't want to reach it yet. Our next book is by Dickens, and the last thing that I read of his I did not particularly care for, it was Great Expectations.
Lillian finally learned who's Hank's mistress. She is very scheming and seeks to punish and destroy her husband rather than to allow him to divorce her. Trading her secret about her husband to men like James Taggart is inconceivable. I don't know if she ever had any passion or loved him at all or if she is just an uptight, cold hearted person.
The meeting of the Washington men and how Directive 10-289 was put into effect just baffled me. How is it that this group, all of whom had a vested interest in the outcome of such an initiative could have so much influence. Trading favors and secrets will only work for so long, eventually someone will lose their leverage and power. The Unification Board created irrational demands of the country. How could they "freeze" the economy? Why would they not want additional research so that new inventions could be created? I try to think of my own life and imagine what it would be like to have to purchase the same amount of goods as in previous years. Things wear out like tires, dishwashers, clothes. If no new books were being printed who was going to repurchase ones that they already owned?
Dr. Ferris is a scary man with all of the BS that he preaches. I was sorry to know that he found out Hank Rearden's weak spot, Dagny, which he used against him and forced Rearden's hand to sign the gift certificate for Rearden metal.
When Dagny quit, I had hoped that James would end up with the stresses of her position but I should have known that he would pass the buck, he is not a worker just a politician. She was not content to relax and enjoy her quasi retirement but she continually worked to improve her surroundings and even planned out development for the places she encountered.
Ch. 7
So much important information is disclosed in this chapter. I often find myself so wrapped up into the story that I speak aloud about the characters and plot to my families amusement, this was one of those chapters.
Conceited, bloated politicians who are only concerned about their own ambitions and power, like Mr. Kip Chalmers. Every person involved in the chain was responsible for the deaths of all the riders on the Comet, why didn't anyone stand up for what was right? The explanation about who the passengers were didn't paint them in a positive light, their fate was almost forgivable after you found out about the character/politics of those who perished.
Rearden leaving Lillian and giving his lawyer a blank check to ensure that he got it, I cheered but wondered why he waited so long. Then when he is encountered on his walk in the forest by Ragnon who hands him the brick of gold, I couldn't believe it. Are all of the great minds hiding together in some unknown spot, it sure sounds like it, especially since he mentioned Midas Mulligan and his bank. I am glad that he is trying to protect the capitalists interest but it is regrettable that he had to become an outlaw to do so. Orren Boyle's furnaces being blown up so that he could not manufacture the "miracle metal" was something else to cheer for, he is such a worm.
Ok, that's all I have time for now but I will continue. Forgive me for getting so far ahead.
Aug 31, 2009
Oh my...
So you have a reference point, I just began chapter 5 of Book 2.
Wow, so much to discuss...
Jim's wedding
First off, I comprehend that he married this naieve girl because of the way she worships him and for his own political statement. James Taggart is such a small man, and his dirty dealing is made very clear in the conversation regarding Wesley Mouch. Wesley is the man with the power and should be feared, he is a double trader and his dealings in Washington are dangerous to all.
Lillian showing up and demanding that they go to the wedding together was a surprise but the confrontation between Dagny and Lillian regarding the bracelet really had me stressed out. When Hank had her apologize regarding her remarks to Dagny I saw that he picked a side to be on and it was Dagny's.
I loved it when Francisco shows up and Jim is caught off guard. Jim shows one face to the world but not his true face. When it is disclosed that he, as well as many of the wealthiest men in America, has still been investing in d'Anconia Copper under assumed names it becomes more clear just how greedy they are though trying to portray that they are something better. The speech that Francisco makes in response to the statement that money is the root of all evil must exemplify Ayn Rand's philosophy regarding money and capitalism.
When Lillian discovers that Hank has been having an affair and does not want a divorce because she would rather maintain her social standing she shows her real character to me. I am waiting for her to discover who it is with but she assumes that it is some slut or prostitute.
Thanksgiving
The exquisite table setting and the mere cost of the items showed that Lillian was not interested in the social good but that she enjoyed her money and spent in excess. Phillip really was put in his place after his rant about the reason that Hank was going to be on trial the next day. He bit the hand that fed him one too many times. The mother is the reason her son is such a weasel, she needed to make him stand on his own and earn a living rather than to act as a parasite on his own brother.
The Economy
Who is the destroyer? Why are the only successful businessmen disappearing and giving up their lives work? It is easy to see how the chain reactions can take down the economy little by little. The politics make no sense to me, how can the politicians think than you can take and take and that the country will still be able to run normally? Are Dagny and Hank strong enough and driven enough to hold the country together and for how long?
Francisco
I am still trying to figure out what Francisco is trying to prove? It was very clever the way he implied the stock of his company was going to fall, he triggered the crash with that very information. It saddened me that Hank's shipment of copper for Dagny's rail ended up being intercepted by Ragnar Danneskjold and how this hurt his relationship with Hank. I have enjoyed the sections where they were becoming friends. I'm not surprised that he is not the playboy that he wants the world to believe he is, what happened twelve years ago that turned him into the person he is?
I can't wait to hear your thoughts, I have been listening more lately now that the kids have gone back to school. This book is a very popular read right now, I didn't know if you have noticed. The movie is currently in production too. Do we have a date for dinner and a movie when it comes out?
Wow, so much to discuss...
Jim's wedding
First off, I comprehend that he married this naieve girl because of the way she worships him and for his own political statement. James Taggart is such a small man, and his dirty dealing is made very clear in the conversation regarding Wesley Mouch. Wesley is the man with the power and should be feared, he is a double trader and his dealings in Washington are dangerous to all.
Lillian showing up and demanding that they go to the wedding together was a surprise but the confrontation between Dagny and Lillian regarding the bracelet really had me stressed out. When Hank had her apologize regarding her remarks to Dagny I saw that he picked a side to be on and it was Dagny's.
I loved it when Francisco shows up and Jim is caught off guard. Jim shows one face to the world but not his true face. When it is disclosed that he, as well as many of the wealthiest men in America, has still been investing in d'Anconia Copper under assumed names it becomes more clear just how greedy they are though trying to portray that they are something better. The speech that Francisco makes in response to the statement that money is the root of all evil must exemplify Ayn Rand's philosophy regarding money and capitalism.
When Lillian discovers that Hank has been having an affair and does not want a divorce because she would rather maintain her social standing she shows her real character to me. I am waiting for her to discover who it is with but she assumes that it is some slut or prostitute.
Thanksgiving
The exquisite table setting and the mere cost of the items showed that Lillian was not interested in the social good but that she enjoyed her money and spent in excess. Phillip really was put in his place after his rant about the reason that Hank was going to be on trial the next day. He bit the hand that fed him one too many times. The mother is the reason her son is such a weasel, she needed to make him stand on his own and earn a living rather than to act as a parasite on his own brother.
The Economy
Who is the destroyer? Why are the only successful businessmen disappearing and giving up their lives work? It is easy to see how the chain reactions can take down the economy little by little. The politics make no sense to me, how can the politicians think than you can take and take and that the country will still be able to run normally? Are Dagny and Hank strong enough and driven enough to hold the country together and for how long?
Francisco
I am still trying to figure out what Francisco is trying to prove? It was very clever the way he implied the stock of his company was going to fall, he triggered the crash with that very information. It saddened me that Hank's shipment of copper for Dagny's rail ended up being intercepted by Ragnar Danneskjold and how this hurt his relationship with Hank. I have enjoyed the sections where they were becoming friends. I'm not surprised that he is not the playboy that he wants the world to believe he is, what happened twelve years ago that turned him into the person he is?
I can't wait to hear your thoughts, I have been listening more lately now that the kids have gone back to school. This book is a very popular read right now, I didn't know if you have noticed. The movie is currently in production too. Do we have a date for dinner and a movie when it comes out?
Aug 12, 2009
Finished with Book One
There were several things that stood out in my mind from the first book. I can't understand how Dagny could have agreed to construct the John Galt line and protect the interests of Taggart Transcontinental. Especially when her brother is against her, why would she protect that sniveling, slimy worm. I had great disdain for him when he sprung it on her that she was going to speak and debate the sleazy reporter in front of a group of people about Rearden Metal.
Several themes keep popping up:
1 - Blame - This is mentioned quite often as people make excuses about why they have not fulfilled their duties.
2 - Contradictions - There are many instances where people who speak about their circumstances and contradict themselves.
3 - Important people disappearing - Richard Halley, Midas Mulligan, Hugh Askton, and Ellis Wyatt.
4 - Shrugging - is it coincidental or part of the title. She mentions people shrugging quite a bit.
5 - Knowledge - all of the cynicism about what it is that we think we know and how it is all an illusion. The great brains of their time do a lot of spouting off about how we can't know anything, if this is true why would we believe them?
The relationship that Dagny has for Rearden is quite interesting. Is she in love with him or is she okay just being with him for physical gratification? Dagny seems at peace with her sexuality and does not view it in the negative light that Hank Rearden does, he seems to despise himself for having any desires whatsoever.
I don't understand how the people who want to take from the businesses see them as money grubbers. Businesses employ people and improve their livelihood. It does not matter how nice the people are or what they hope to do, if they are not a good risk a bank should not lend them money. As it is shown in the current economy like in the book, the companies and banks who lent money on intentions failed. When they fail, who is left to pick up the pieces? Good intentions do not pay salaries, do research, create jobs. If these businesses fail, so does the stability of those who depend on them.
I will write more soon, too much to say.
Several themes keep popping up:
1 - Blame - This is mentioned quite often as people make excuses about why they have not fulfilled their duties.
2 - Contradictions - There are many instances where people who speak about their circumstances and contradict themselves.
3 - Important people disappearing - Richard Halley, Midas Mulligan, Hugh Askton, and Ellis Wyatt.
4 - Shrugging - is it coincidental or part of the title. She mentions people shrugging quite a bit.
5 - Knowledge - all of the cynicism about what it is that we think we know and how it is all an illusion. The great brains of their time do a lot of spouting off about how we can't know anything, if this is true why would we believe them?
The relationship that Dagny has for Rearden is quite interesting. Is she in love with him or is she okay just being with him for physical gratification? Dagny seems at peace with her sexuality and does not view it in the negative light that Hank Rearden does, he seems to despise himself for having any desires whatsoever.
I don't understand how the people who want to take from the businesses see them as money grubbers. Businesses employ people and improve their livelihood. It does not matter how nice the people are or what they hope to do, if they are not a good risk a bank should not lend them money. As it is shown in the current economy like in the book, the companies and banks who lent money on intentions failed. When they fail, who is left to pick up the pieces? Good intentions do not pay salaries, do research, create jobs. If these businesses fail, so does the stability of those who depend on them.
I will write more soon, too much to say.
Jul 31, 2009
Book I
The first question I have after reading is: who is the third student of Dr. Akston and Stadler? Why won't anyone tell Dagny the name of this person? I of course want to conclude that it is John Galt- but that is too easy, isn't it? I think it is interesting that Ragnar is now a pirate and Francisco is a playboy- yet the famous philosopher Dr. Akston is proud of them? I'm confused.
I have to agree that this book is easier to follow and more interesting than any book we have read so far. This is good for many reasons but mostly because it is A BIG BOOK, can you imagine?
"...real devotion consists of being willing to lie, cheat and fake in order to make another person happy- to create for him the reality he wants, if he doesn't like the one that exists."
- I like this quote, for some reason. Is it our responsibility to make ourselves happy or does some of the duty rely on our acquaintances and loved ones? Dagny is an example of how one person can create the reality she wants- however there are forces beyond her control that alter her reality. The politics in this book are out of this world! I can't believe how easy it is for men of power to inflict rules and laws that are meant for good when actually they have the opposite effect. I'm sure you are learning about all of this in your class- please feel free to share any information that might help me understand it better.
What do you think about the person who created the engine? What did Akston mean when he told Dagny that he will find her when he wants to? Once again- is it John Galt who invented the engine? Very mysterious.
One last thing- I started to feel kind of bad for Rearden's wife, even though at the beginning of the story I didn't like her (or his Mom) at all. We saw some emotion from her that finally made a little bit of sense.
I have to agree that this book is easier to follow and more interesting than any book we have read so far. This is good for many reasons but mostly because it is A BIG BOOK, can you imagine?
"...real devotion consists of being willing to lie, cheat and fake in order to make another person happy- to create for him the reality he wants, if he doesn't like the one that exists."
- I like this quote, for some reason. Is it our responsibility to make ourselves happy or does some of the duty rely on our acquaintances and loved ones? Dagny is an example of how one person can create the reality she wants- however there are forces beyond her control that alter her reality. The politics in this book are out of this world! I can't believe how easy it is for men of power to inflict rules and laws that are meant for good when actually they have the opposite effect. I'm sure you are learning about all of this in your class- please feel free to share any information that might help me understand it better.
What do you think about the person who created the engine? What did Akston mean when he told Dagny that he will find her when he wants to? Once again- is it John Galt who invented the engine? Very mysterious.
One last thing- I started to feel kind of bad for Rearden's wife, even though at the beginning of the story I didn't like her (or his Mom) at all. We saw some emotion from her that finally made a little bit of sense.
Jul 2, 2009
Atlas Shrugged - first post
First off, let me start by stating that although it is early in the book I have to say that this has been the easiest of the books so far to get into. The language and writing style is very accessible.
I am part way through chapter 6 now. I was able to listen for a couple of hours while driving to and from Vegas over the past weekend. I go to school 3x a week so it should be easy for me to listen at least 3 hours a week for the next few weeks.
It is strange how this story has affected me emotionally. As you know, one of the classes that I am taking this summer is Economic History which of course is covering the railroads, mining and how America has become the economic power that it is. I am connecting the growth of the nation along with Taggert Transcontinental like Union Pacific, and Hank Reardon like Andrew Carnegie.
The contemptible attitudes of Hank Reardon's family and James Taggert and his friends against business ventures are so scary. They are preaching for the greater good of society as a whole yet they are all riding on the rich coattails of big business. It is easy for them to take this attitude since they have the money, not earned by their own work, to donate and plenty of time as well. You can see that politics are shaping the economic landscape with the anti dog-eat-dog agreement meant to hurt the smaller railroad players and the Equalization of opportunity bill which would hurt larger companies like Reardon Steel.
To me the noblest characters of the story (so far) have been Dagny, Hank Reardon, Don Conway of the Phoenix Durango, and even Ellis Wyatt in a minor way. They are driven by business, it is clear cut and easy to see their motivations. True capitalists, if you work hard enough you can make your dreams happen, isn't that part of the American Dream? As long as it is done honestly, why should we punish those who succeed?
I'm trying to understand what Francisco's motivations are. Is he trying to single handily destroy big business? Does he have feelings for anything? Has he discovered that men like James Taggart are fundamentally driven by greed and power although they try to show otherwise? It seems as if he knew back when he was at the hotel with Dagny and asked her to leave the railroad and to forgive him for whatever he will do in the future that he was going to ruin those men and their companies. You can see how all of these companies are tied together and how easily it will all fall apart.
Dagny and her love of the music of Richard Halley seems to be one of the only things in life that she enjoys other than work. It seems to also connects her to Francisco on a deeper level. I think it is important to her, has he really written a fifth concerto?
The Rearden Party -
The "intellectual" people who are the guests of the party rub me wrong! How depressing it would be to be with this group. The philosopher who states that the world is about frustration and all there is to live for is brother love, what crap. Also, what about the writer who has only sold 3000 books who wants to apply the equalization of opportunity bill to books so that no more than 10,000 copies of any book can be printed. Only one whose books do no sell well would benefit from this rule. If he were to become a popular author and the demand for his books were above the 10,000 allotted copies he would then protest this measure. These people have dangerous minds and ideas and too great an influence over those around them.
More to come...
I am part way through chapter 6 now. I was able to listen for a couple of hours while driving to and from Vegas over the past weekend. I go to school 3x a week so it should be easy for me to listen at least 3 hours a week for the next few weeks.
It is strange how this story has affected me emotionally. As you know, one of the classes that I am taking this summer is Economic History which of course is covering the railroads, mining and how America has become the economic power that it is. I am connecting the growth of the nation along with Taggert Transcontinental like Union Pacific, and Hank Reardon like Andrew Carnegie.
The contemptible attitudes of Hank Reardon's family and James Taggert and his friends against business ventures are so scary. They are preaching for the greater good of society as a whole yet they are all riding on the rich coattails of big business. It is easy for them to take this attitude since they have the money, not earned by their own work, to donate and plenty of time as well. You can see that politics are shaping the economic landscape with the anti dog-eat-dog agreement meant to hurt the smaller railroad players and the Equalization of opportunity bill which would hurt larger companies like Reardon Steel.
To me the noblest characters of the story (so far) have been Dagny, Hank Reardon, Don Conway of the Phoenix Durango, and even Ellis Wyatt in a minor way. They are driven by business, it is clear cut and easy to see their motivations. True capitalists, if you work hard enough you can make your dreams happen, isn't that part of the American Dream? As long as it is done honestly, why should we punish those who succeed?
I'm trying to understand what Francisco's motivations are. Is he trying to single handily destroy big business? Does he have feelings for anything? Has he discovered that men like James Taggart are fundamentally driven by greed and power although they try to show otherwise? It seems as if he knew back when he was at the hotel with Dagny and asked her to leave the railroad and to forgive him for whatever he will do in the future that he was going to ruin those men and their companies. You can see how all of these companies are tied together and how easily it will all fall apart.
Dagny and her love of the music of Richard Halley seems to be one of the only things in life that she enjoys other than work. It seems to also connects her to Francisco on a deeper level. I think it is important to her, has he really written a fifth concerto?
The Rearden Party -
The "intellectual" people who are the guests of the party rub me wrong! How depressing it would be to be with this group. The philosopher who states that the world is about frustration and all there is to live for is brother love, what crap. Also, what about the writer who has only sold 3000 books who wants to apply the equalization of opportunity bill to books so that no more than 10,000 copies of any book can be printed. Only one whose books do no sell well would benefit from this rule. If he were to become a popular author and the demand for his books were above the 10,000 allotted copies he would then protest this measure. These people have dangerous minds and ideas and too great an influence over those around them.
More to come...
Jun 24, 2009
Tell me what you thought...
Finished. Wow- that book was more racy than almost any modern day soap opera! What is it with all of the men in this story having illegitimate children and unexplained wives, etc...? It really doesn't paint a very good picture of the south during this time period.
Is the overall theme of the book racial relations? I'm just not sure what message Faulkner is trying to convey. Of course, there are a lot of family references too. Thomas Sutpen is a cruel man and everything he touched seemed to disintegrate: his children, his mistresses, his "wives", his house, his slaves, and especially himself. One of the saddest parts of the book for me was when he goes to see Milly and tells her its a shame she wasn't a mare so he could give her a stable. The book had many depressing elements.
The relationship between Charles and Henry is an interesting one. Why did Henry kill Charles? Did he really not want him marrying his sister- for which there are many legitimate reasons? Was he overcome with jealousy or embarrassment at finding out this was actually his brother? How could he kill his own brother- so many questions.
I had not read the commentary part- however, I was looking in the back of my book and stumbled across the list of characters and their relationships to one another and that is how I learned of Thomas' connection to Charles. This was shocking considering that he wanted to marry Judith. The ending was a bit confusing for me- especially when I was listening to it. So does Quentin hate the south or not?
It seems like quite a few of these books have been and are based in the south- it kind of makes you want to visit there. Maybe someday we can plan a trip together. :) I liked the book overall (the story was great) but it did seem like the narrators were winded in places, making it hard to listen to. Did you ever find the longest sentence? I'm wondering which one it is.
Is the overall theme of the book racial relations? I'm just not sure what message Faulkner is trying to convey. Of course, there are a lot of family references too. Thomas Sutpen is a cruel man and everything he touched seemed to disintegrate: his children, his mistresses, his "wives", his house, his slaves, and especially himself. One of the saddest parts of the book for me was when he goes to see Milly and tells her its a shame she wasn't a mare so he could give her a stable. The book had many depressing elements.
The relationship between Charles and Henry is an interesting one. Why did Henry kill Charles? Did he really not want him marrying his sister- for which there are many legitimate reasons? Was he overcome with jealousy or embarrassment at finding out this was actually his brother? How could he kill his own brother- so many questions.
I had not read the commentary part- however, I was looking in the back of my book and stumbled across the list of characters and their relationships to one another and that is how I learned of Thomas' connection to Charles. This was shocking considering that he wanted to marry Judith. The ending was a bit confusing for me- especially when I was listening to it. So does Quentin hate the south or not?
It seems like quite a few of these books have been and are based in the south- it kind of makes you want to visit there. Maybe someday we can plan a trip together. :) I liked the book overall (the story was great) but it did seem like the narrators were winded in places, making it hard to listen to. Did you ever find the longest sentence? I'm wondering which one it is.
Jun 3, 2009
Response to chapter 4 questions
The first chapter is told from Miss Rosa's point of view when she summoned Quentin to listen to the story before he leaves for Harvard. It was as if she laid out the whole story but it came out so fast that you don't recognize the players in it because you are not properly introduced to any of them. Rosa had a very difficult and sad life, she is quite bitter about it and blames Sutpen for all of the hardships she and her family had to endure.
I did not notice the homosexual overtones but the incestuous ones did make me uncomfortable. It was frustrating to me having characters referenced, like Clytie and Wash Jones, without knowing much about them but you slowly learn about them in later chapters.
If you read the commentary in the spark notes for Chapter 4, it gives away an important part of the story that you should not know yet, don't go back and look for it if you didn't catch it.
Most of the final chapters are retold in a conversation between Quentin and his roommate, Shreve. It is a long evening where they discuss the story and read the letter. You do learn more about the history of Sutpen too, where he came from before he raised Sutpen's Hundred from the swamps.
You had a question about Judith throwing a fit, it seems like she liked to race and was upset when they were told to stop, she was a feisty little girl whereas Henry was a squeamish little boy.
I appreciate that you are reading with me too. I worry that you have too much on your plate so just remember that we can go at whatever pace is most comfortable to you, its not supposed to cause you additional pressure, believe me I am okay. See you this weekend.
I did not notice the homosexual overtones but the incestuous ones did make me uncomfortable. It was frustrating to me having characters referenced, like Clytie and Wash Jones, without knowing much about them but you slowly learn about them in later chapters.
If you read the commentary in the spark notes for Chapter 4, it gives away an important part of the story that you should not know yet, don't go back and look for it if you didn't catch it.
Most of the final chapters are retold in a conversation between Quentin and his roommate, Shreve. It is a long evening where they discuss the story and read the letter. You do learn more about the history of Sutpen too, where he came from before he raised Sutpen's Hundred from the swamps.
You had a question about Judith throwing a fit, it seems like she liked to race and was upset when they were told to stop, she was a feisty little girl whereas Henry was a squeamish little boy.
I appreciate that you are reading with me too. I worry that you have too much on your plate so just remember that we can go at whatever pace is most comfortable to you, its not supposed to cause you additional pressure, believe me I am okay. See you this weekend.
Jun 2, 2009
Chapter Four, Reading Again...
After hearing this chapter I had to find some help because I was really confused- turns out after reading a few things on SPARKNOTES I had a right to feel confused.
I couldn't tell if Henry didn't want Bon to marry his sister because he was in fact having a relationship with her himself or if he wanted to have a relationship with Bon. Of course, the real reason was because he was already married to a prostitute or some girl he had won and then owned? It is hard to believe that things like this were going on in our country (they still are) not that long ago and people didn't get upset about it. Did you pick up on the homosexuality innuendos too, or am I crazy? The incest part wasn't that surprising since I think Faulkner hints at it in an earlier chapter- something about the children being too close?
I love southern dialectic, the accent is fun to listen to. I like the line at the end of this chapter made by Wash Jones: "Kilt him dead as a beef".
Also- when are we going to hear from Rosa Coldfield? Has she already talked? Am I correct in saying that the entire story up until now has been told by Quentin's grandfather? Quentin's grandmother was a friend to Judith and she was the one who received the letter from her, right? I hope I'm getting it all, please tell me if there is something I've missed. Thanks again for the book. You are too nice to me!
I couldn't tell if Henry didn't want Bon to marry his sister because he was in fact having a relationship with her himself or if he wanted to have a relationship with Bon. Of course, the real reason was because he was already married to a prostitute or some girl he had won and then owned? It is hard to believe that things like this were going on in our country (they still are) not that long ago and people didn't get upset about it. Did you pick up on the homosexuality innuendos too, or am I crazy? The incest part wasn't that surprising since I think Faulkner hints at it in an earlier chapter- something about the children being too close?
I love southern dialectic, the accent is fun to listen to. I like the line at the end of this chapter made by Wash Jones: "Kilt him dead as a beef".
Also- when are we going to hear from Rosa Coldfield? Has she already talked? Am I correct in saying that the entire story up until now has been told by Quentin's grandfather? Quentin's grandmother was a friend to Judith and she was the one who received the letter from her, right? I hope I'm getting it all, please tell me if there is something I've missed. Thanks again for the book. You are too nice to me!
Mar 31, 2009
It is complicated...
You see- this is why I'm so glad you are doing this with me. I missed the fact that Rosa was married to Sutpen. Thank you for being so thorough, otherwise I think I would have been really lost! Also, where does Clytemnestra fit into the equation? Is she also Ellen's daughter? Possibly this has been discussed and I just haven't gotten to that part. I really am reading as much as I can, it seems so short but because of the difficulty it takes me quite a lot to read one page.
This story is interesting to me. I am fascinated with the old-south and was slightly nervous that it was going to be like Wise Blood.
I think the reason Ellen was crying was because she wanted a huge wedding with the perfect groom. She didn't get what she wanted and knew that her life would never be what she wanted it to be. Why was Judith throwing a fit? I didn't quite understand that part.
I promise to keep reading. I was concerned when I received your email saying you only had 20 minutes left to listen to. I felt so bad because I'm not even close to being done and I didn't want you to think I wasn't interested.
This story is interesting to me. I am fascinated with the old-south and was slightly nervous that it was going to be like Wise Blood.
I think the reason Ellen was crying was because she wanted a huge wedding with the perfect groom. She didn't get what she wanted and knew that her life would never be what she wanted it to be. Why was Judith throwing a fit? I didn't quite understand that part.
I promise to keep reading. I was concerned when I received your email saying you only had 20 minutes left to listen to. I felt so bad because I'm not even close to being done and I didn't want you to think I wasn't interested.
Feb 28, 2009
Chapter 2 down...
I'm not sure if you have time for this in your life, if not let me know and I'll hold off. If you want to listen to the audiobook, I have extra credits at Audible.com and I will send it to you.
Ok, it's been a great week, I have listened to Chapter 1 and Chapter 2, twice. Since this book is so short, that is going to be my strategy (listening to each chapter at least twice) since actually picking up and reading the text seems to elude me due to time constraints.
It's interesting that the story in Chapter 2 is told to Quentin from his father's perspective and not Rosa Coldfield's. This chapter goes into more detail about who are the main characters of this story. You start to get more of an idea of what Sutpen is like but not who he is and what motivates him.
I still cringe at the "n" word and how these people were treated in reality and are portrayed in literature. What was with the French speaking architect who worked for 2 years without pay? Why would he have done this? Was he afraid of Sutpen? I'm not sure I understood why Ellen was crying so much before her wedding, was it because she was being forced into it by her Aunt or because no one showed up? I'm sure we will find out why although Rosa had stated she agreed to marry Sutpen after her sisters death, she still was a virgin.
Ok, it's been a great week, I have listened to Chapter 1 and Chapter 2, twice. Since this book is so short, that is going to be my strategy (listening to each chapter at least twice) since actually picking up and reading the text seems to elude me due to time constraints.
It's interesting that the story in Chapter 2 is told to Quentin from his father's perspective and not Rosa Coldfield's. This chapter goes into more detail about who are the main characters of this story. You start to get more of an idea of what Sutpen is like but not who he is and what motivates him.
I still cringe at the "n" word and how these people were treated in reality and are portrayed in literature. What was with the French speaking architect who worked for 2 years without pay? Why would he have done this? Was he afraid of Sutpen? I'm not sure I understood why Ellen was crying so much before her wedding, was it because she was being forced into it by her Aunt or because no one showed up? I'm sure we will find out why although Rosa had stated she agreed to marry Sutpen after her sisters death, she still was a virgin.
Feb 25, 2009
First post
I have now listened to Chapter One two times now and decided that I need to buy the book to get all of the characters, dates, and vocabulary worked out. I bought it last night and started going through it.
The characters I've deciphered so far are -
Rosa Coldfield (Ellen's sister) - she is telling the story to Quentin
Sutpen - he marries Ellen, then after she dies he marries Rosa
Ellen Coldfield
Judith - daughter of Ellen and Sutpen
Henry - son of Ellen and Sutpen
There is a large age gap between Rosa and Ellen.
Quentin Compson - the story is being told to him. His Granfather was a friend of Sutpen's.
The audiobook is interesting to listen to because the author uses somewhat of a southern accent/drawl. A little fact I saw about this book is that it boasts the longest sentence -- drumroll, please... 1300 words. Why would anyone make a story so difficult to understand?
I just wanted you to know that I started, and started again. My vocabulary is expanding, else I repeat looking up definitions in the dictionary.
The characters I've deciphered so far are -
Rosa Coldfield (Ellen's sister) - she is telling the story to Quentin
Sutpen - he marries Ellen, then after she dies he marries Rosa
Ellen Coldfield
Judith - daughter of Ellen and Sutpen
Henry - son of Ellen and Sutpen
There is a large age gap between Rosa and Ellen.
Quentin Compson - the story is being told to him. His Granfather was a friend of Sutpen's.
The audiobook is interesting to listen to because the author uses somewhat of a southern accent/drawl. A little fact I saw about this book is that it boasts the longest sentence -- drumroll, please... 1300 words. Why would anyone make a story so difficult to understand?
I just wanted you to know that I started, and started again. My vocabulary is expanding, else I repeat looking up definitions in the dictionary.
Feb 16, 2009
Finished, I have no definite answers...
I read a few of the reviews of this book on Amazon. Someone said it was like reading math or poetry. This book for me was like reading poetry.
I wasn't sure of the ending either. Honestly, I'm still not sure if she chose the money or Densher? It was confusing, right? Tell me I'm not alone on this one. Of course I thought that because Kate had gone back to her family that she was showing some remorse for what she had done to Milly and wanted to be with Densher no matter what. I think Kate realizes at the end that she isn't in love with Densher anymore or perhaps never was? They had both changed so much- mostly because of the deception to other people. I agree that she gave up nothing while he gave up a lot- especially his integrity.
I thought Lord Mark was one of the only decent European characters in the story. He seemed to really love Milly and wanted the best for her. I wanted them to get together. I don't understand what Mrs. Lauder's interest in him was. Didn't he have his own money? Perhaps I am confused. Overall, I'm glad that I downloaded this one to read it, otherwise I would probably still be working on it.
I wasn't sure of the ending either. Honestly, I'm still not sure if she chose the money or Densher? It was confusing, right? Tell me I'm not alone on this one. Of course I thought that because Kate had gone back to her family that she was showing some remorse for what she had done to Milly and wanted to be with Densher no matter what. I think Kate realizes at the end that she isn't in love with Densher anymore or perhaps never was? They had both changed so much- mostly because of the deception to other people. I agree that she gave up nothing while he gave up a lot- especially his integrity.
I thought Lord Mark was one of the only decent European characters in the story. He seemed to really love Milly and wanted the best for her. I wanted them to get together. I don't understand what Mrs. Lauder's interest in him was. Didn't he have his own money? Perhaps I am confused. Overall, I'm glad that I downloaded this one to read it, otherwise I would probably still be working on it.
Feb 14, 2009
Finished at last ...questions
Ok, I see why you wanted to discuss the book. Why am I never satisfied with endings?
Did I understand that Kate just walked out at the end of the story? Is she taking the money and leaving Densher behind?
What was the significance at the end of the story when Kate went to see her sister and Father?
My first thoughts are that Mrs. Lauder or Kate were playing Lord Mark and trying to get to Millie's money through him. Perhaps if she had accepted him, he would have received Millie's money and then Kate would end up with him.
I do see that Densher did everything so that he could be with Kate but that she didn't give up anything for him. So much of their lives were wasted scheming about how to get money to survive. I can't see that she loved him, she loved her status.
Okay, let's hear what you think. Did I misunderstand?
Did I understand that Kate just walked out at the end of the story? Is she taking the money and leaving Densher behind?
What was the significance at the end of the story when Kate went to see her sister and Father?
My first thoughts are that Mrs. Lauder or Kate were playing Lord Mark and trying to get to Millie's money through him. Perhaps if she had accepted him, he would have received Millie's money and then Kate would end up with him.
I do see that Densher did everything so that he could be with Kate but that she didn't give up anything for him. So much of their lives were wasted scheming about how to get money to survive. I can't see that she loved him, she loved her status.
Okay, let's hear what you think. Did I misunderstand?
I don't know what to say...
I am quite interested in what you think of what happens in the end. I'm not sure what part you are at so let me know so we can discuss some of the developing plots linking all of the young people together. It seems as if everyone is deceiving everyone else.
Jan 30, 2009
Slowly making progress
Somehow I have relistened to a good portion of the book this week, I do not believe that I will finish by the end of the month since that is tomorrow, sorry. It was good for me to repeat it since I missed some important parts of the story.
I am up to the part (again) where Densher is visiting Millie after she missed the dinner at Aunt Maud's house. (I may not be spelling the names correctly since I returned my copy of the book to the library.) They are just about to take a ride together in the carriage.
I am not sure that I believe Kate to be in love with Densher or if she were truly in love she would have "taken him as he is". From the scheming going on, do I understand correctly that Kate is pushing him to Millie that he would get together with her and since she is ill, would inherit her wealth when she passes away? It is sad to me that Millie's wealth is what they are most interested in and not her as a person.
Kate and her Aunt are not likable women but they are definitely interesting characters. I am anxious to see what happens with the Dr. and Susan Shepherd. Densher must truly be head over heels for Kate for him to follow along with her plans. She is weaving a web of deception, perhaps the only one she is honest with is herself, or is she?
You may already be finished, if so, sorry. I will really work on finishing this week.
I am up to the part (again) where Densher is visiting Millie after she missed the dinner at Aunt Maud's house. (I may not be spelling the names correctly since I returned my copy of the book to the library.) They are just about to take a ride together in the carriage.
I am not sure that I believe Kate to be in love with Densher or if she were truly in love she would have "taken him as he is". From the scheming going on, do I understand correctly that Kate is pushing him to Millie that he would get together with her and since she is ill, would inherit her wealth when she passes away? It is sad to me that Millie's wealth is what they are most interested in and not her as a person.
Kate and her Aunt are not likable women but they are definitely interesting characters. I am anxious to see what happens with the Dr. and Susan Shepherd. Densher must truly be head over heels for Kate for him to follow along with her plans. She is weaving a web of deception, perhaps the only one she is honest with is herself, or is she?
You may already be finished, if so, sorry. I will really work on finishing this week.
Jan 13, 2009
Truckin'
I don't know about you, but once I got past the language usage the story became more interesting? I'm just not used to the round-a-bout way James explains things. I am at Chapter 20.
1. Lord Mark is an interesting character- you're right. I personally think he likes Milly. :) It seems that he is meant for Kate though.
2. I see what you mean about Kate being the one with connections and Milly being the one with nothing. Perhaps you could look at it from both perspectives- the girls are more similar then they are dissimilar. That is why I'm glad you are reading with me, because we aren't always going to take away the same things. :) Her illness sounds very serious. The way Kate describes her condition to Densher seems almost comical.
3. Yes, as far as I can remember- that is exactly how Aunt Maud came "into" her money.
4. Coming up- I don't want to spoil it, if you haven't gotten there yet... Aunt Maud makes a very interesting comment to Densher about her comments to Milly concerning the relationship.
5. I was confused the entire time I was listening to the doctor visit. I really have no idea what is going on with that.
6. The feeling I get from Densher and Kate is always changing. One minute I think they are truly in love and other times I get the feeling it is just an infatuation. I really want them to get together in the end, but I don't want them to do it in a way that could damage Milly. She seems incredibly fragile.
I like Densher, he is genuine (he is in love and being a man- this obstructs his good sense). I also really like Milly (more than I like Kate). She represents a strong, intelligent, and also insecure woman. Money can't buy everything, especially health and peace. What about you? Could the older ladies be reflections of the girls in some way? A look into the future? I will try to finish by the end of the month, I think it is a good goal since I started this book like four months ago. I ordered Absalom, Absalom and it hasn't arrived yet.
1. Lord Mark is an interesting character- you're right. I personally think he likes Milly. :) It seems that he is meant for Kate though.
2. I see what you mean about Kate being the one with connections and Milly being the one with nothing. Perhaps you could look at it from both perspectives- the girls are more similar then they are dissimilar. That is why I'm glad you are reading with me, because we aren't always going to take away the same things. :) Her illness sounds very serious. The way Kate describes her condition to Densher seems almost comical.
3. Yes, as far as I can remember- that is exactly how Aunt Maud came "into" her money.
4. Coming up- I don't want to spoil it, if you haven't gotten there yet... Aunt Maud makes a very interesting comment to Densher about her comments to Milly concerning the relationship.
5. I was confused the entire time I was listening to the doctor visit. I really have no idea what is going on with that.
6. The feeling I get from Densher and Kate is always changing. One minute I think they are truly in love and other times I get the feeling it is just an infatuation. I really want them to get together in the end, but I don't want them to do it in a way that could damage Milly. She seems incredibly fragile.
I like Densher, he is genuine (he is in love and being a man- this obstructs his good sense). I also really like Milly (more than I like Kate). She represents a strong, intelligent, and also insecure woman. Money can't buy everything, especially health and peace. What about you? Could the older ladies be reflections of the girls in some way? A look into the future? I will try to finish by the end of the month, I think it is a good goal since I started this book like four months ago. I ordered Absalom, Absalom and it hasn't arrived yet.
Jan 5, 2009
Continuing on...
Lindsey,
I have been working on the book for the past few days and have found it does pique my interest a little more than at the beginning. I do have many more questions now that are starting to be answered as the story unfolds and becomes a little more twisted. I just completed Volume 1, Book 5th.
1. The comment that Lord Mark made at Aunt Maud's dinner party that no one does anything for free I believe this helps set up the story. What is his part going to be in the story? Is he going to get together with Kate or Milly?
2. Kate's beauty is mentioned and esteemed by all, especially Milly. Kate has family to fall back on if her Aunt decides that she is through with her, even if they are not the most desirable kin. Milly really is the one who has nothing, no real friends or family connections since they have all died. Even if she has money and Mrs. Stringham, why doesn't she have any other connections in the U.S.? Has she been ill long and therefore out of society?
3. Do you recall how Aunt Maud got her money? Did she marry well and then become a widow?
4. The mystery of Mr. Densher and how Milly and Mrs Stringham are not supposed to mention knowing him to Kate seems to really show Mrs. Lauder as manipulative. Why wouldn't she want it mentioned? It's just to control and manipulate the situation in my opinion, not truly out of caring.
5. What is the doctors real interest in Milly? Is she going to be okay or is he telling her to live while she can?
6. As far as the relationship between Kate and Densher, it was my understanding that they truly loved one another but neither of them wanted it to be revealed to Mrs. Lauder so that they can take from her whatever they could. Both Kate and Densher know that they are being played but because they both hope to gain financially they are willing to wait.
7. The point at which Mrs. Lauder asks Milly to ask Kate about Mr. Densher and if he is back in town to me shows that she set her up for a test. Milly didn't do as she was asked and further spoke to Kate about Lord Mark and never mentions Densher.
I just got past the scene in which Milly runs into Kate and Densher at the museum and they all have to act cordially to one another. Now the secret is out, Milly knows Densher. It seems like Milly believes what Mrs. Lauder told her about the relationship, that Kate is not in love with him.
Do you like any of the characters yet? Is Kate the likable one or is it Milly? I feel like Mrs. Lauder and Mrs. Stringham are sort of playing show and tell and that the young women are the objects that they are showing off. Neither of them have their own children? Are they trying to live vicariously through the girls?
I don't want to leave you hanging on the reading of this book. My goal is to have it completed by the end of the month, I will have about 30 minutes to listen Monday-Friday while communting back and forth to school plus there will be time before I pick up the carpool. Why don't you let me know what pace works best for you.
I have another book I am also listening to right now, "I Feel Bad About my Neck" by Nora Ephrom. It is a collection of essays which are random rants about life and being a woman. She is very clever and holds nothing back; she is the author of "When Harry Met Sally". I will say that this is much easier to get into in comparison to the Wings of the Dove.
I have been working on the book for the past few days and have found it does pique my interest a little more than at the beginning. I do have many more questions now that are starting to be answered as the story unfolds and becomes a little more twisted. I just completed Volume 1, Book 5th.
1. The comment that Lord Mark made at Aunt Maud's dinner party that no one does anything for free I believe this helps set up the story. What is his part going to be in the story? Is he going to get together with Kate or Milly?
2. Kate's beauty is mentioned and esteemed by all, especially Milly. Kate has family to fall back on if her Aunt decides that she is through with her, even if they are not the most desirable kin. Milly really is the one who has nothing, no real friends or family connections since they have all died. Even if she has money and Mrs. Stringham, why doesn't she have any other connections in the U.S.? Has she been ill long and therefore out of society?
3. Do you recall how Aunt Maud got her money? Did she marry well and then become a widow?
4. The mystery of Mr. Densher and how Milly and Mrs Stringham are not supposed to mention knowing him to Kate seems to really show Mrs. Lauder as manipulative. Why wouldn't she want it mentioned? It's just to control and manipulate the situation in my opinion, not truly out of caring.
5. What is the doctors real interest in Milly? Is she going to be okay or is he telling her to live while she can?
6. As far as the relationship between Kate and Densher, it was my understanding that they truly loved one another but neither of them wanted it to be revealed to Mrs. Lauder so that they can take from her whatever they could. Both Kate and Densher know that they are being played but because they both hope to gain financially they are willing to wait.
7. The point at which Mrs. Lauder asks Milly to ask Kate about Mr. Densher and if he is back in town to me shows that she set her up for a test. Milly didn't do as she was asked and further spoke to Kate about Lord Mark and never mentions Densher.
I just got past the scene in which Milly runs into Kate and Densher at the museum and they all have to act cordially to one another. Now the secret is out, Milly knows Densher. It seems like Milly believes what Mrs. Lauder told her about the relationship, that Kate is not in love with him.
Do you like any of the characters yet? Is Kate the likable one or is it Milly? I feel like Mrs. Lauder and Mrs. Stringham are sort of playing show and tell and that the young women are the objects that they are showing off. Neither of them have their own children? Are they trying to live vicariously through the girls?
I don't want to leave you hanging on the reading of this book. My goal is to have it completed by the end of the month, I will have about 30 minutes to listen Monday-Friday while communting back and forth to school plus there will be time before I pick up the carpool. Why don't you let me know what pace works best for you.
I have another book I am also listening to right now, "I Feel Bad About my Neck" by Nora Ephrom. It is a collection of essays which are random rants about life and being a woman. She is very clever and holds nothing back; she is the author of "When Harry Met Sally". I will say that this is much easier to get into in comparison to the Wings of the Dove.
Not Giving Up.
Is this book tedious and boring, or is it just me? The thing is- I know there are good books on this list, I've read some of them!! I'm still waiting to read a book from this "top" list that I can't put down and think to myself the entire time I'm reading it: WOW! Wings of the Dove is not that book. However, I have a hard time giving up on it because, I have already invested so much time in it and I'm halfway done. It certainly helps being able to listen to it while I'm doing other things.
Just a few things:
1. Milly appears to have a deep admiration (is that the right word?) for Kate. While Kate has nothing to "offer"- Milly still longs to be her. Is this due to Kate's beauty, good health, or her being English? It is funny to think that the girl who has lots of money and connections should want to be the girl who is stuck in an unfavorable situation with no family or friends to speak of. The grass is always greener, right?
2. Did I understand correctly when I read about Aunt Maud liking Densher she just doesn't think that Kate is really in love with him? That DOES make sense though. I'm not sure that Kate can ever be in love with anyone aside from herself. Poor Densher, poor any man that falls in love with Kate.
3. I'm confused about the doctor visit, but I get the feeling that Milly isn't doing well and is on the verge of dying. Sad.
Just a few things:
1. Milly appears to have a deep admiration (is that the right word?) for Kate. While Kate has nothing to "offer"- Milly still longs to be her. Is this due to Kate's beauty, good health, or her being English? It is funny to think that the girl who has lots of money and connections should want to be the girl who is stuck in an unfavorable situation with no family or friends to speak of. The grass is always greener, right?
2. Did I understand correctly when I read about Aunt Maud liking Densher she just doesn't think that Kate is really in love with him? That DOES make sense though. I'm not sure that Kate can ever be in love with anyone aside from herself. Poor Densher, poor any man that falls in love with Kate.
3. I'm confused about the doctor visit, but I get the feeling that Milly isn't doing well and is on the verge of dying. Sad.
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